Showing posts with label Lightermen. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Lightermen. Show all posts

Building Thames barges

My interest in family history was sparked by the stories my Grandma told me of the forest of masts she could see over the roofs when she grew up in Rotherhithe in the 1890s.  She was very proud of her father and brothers who built barges and lighters but she also told me more about how the family first started this occupation in Berkshire in the 18th century.

Every descendent of Robert Talbot has been told the story of how he and his brothers brought the family barge building business up to London from Berkshire on a stage coach.  Certainly there was a stagecoach route from Thatcham to London along the Bath Road and some time before 1799 Robert and Richard moved to London, as they were both married there in 1799.  There is no evidence of any other living brother accompanying them.  As Richard and his wife Elizabeth Jenkins do not appear to have had any children, Robert Talbot is seen as the founder of the barge building dynasty.



Robert and Richard were born in the beautiful village of Pangbourne, on the river Thames in Berkshire, the sons of John Talbot and Mary Ivey.  Their other brother Edward died in 1792 and their sisters married in Pangbourne.  Although there is no proof that John Talbot was a barge builder, there were other Talbots who built barges in Pangbourne at that time.  As yet no family connection to these other Talbots has been made.  After the death of Mary Ivey in 1795, John Talbot married Mary Kirton and had seven more children before his death in 1837 at the age of 92.

Robert Talbot married Ann Proud at St Andrew by the Wardrobe, near St Paul’s cathedral in 1799.  At first they lived in Shadwell, a crowded dock area between Limehouse and Wapping, but by the time of the birth of their second child, Thomas Talbot in 1804 they were living by the Thames in Fore Street, Lambeth.  Fore Street, as its name signifies lay on the foreshore of the river Thames.  It was a very busy area of boat builders, whiting works and potteries including Doultons, later Royal Doulton. 



By 1839 Robert had moved his barge building business to the up and coming boat building area of Rotherhithe Street.  It is probable that all their premises were rented.  Leaving Fore Street was wise, as by 1866 it was disappearing beneath the Albert Embankment.                               


Robert and Ann Proud had 8 children, before Ann’s death in 1830.  Robert married again twice; to Ann Richards, a widow, in 1833 and to Cricey Finley in 1848, the year before his death of Asiatic cholera.  Robert Talbot was buried in a graveyard on Lambeth High Street, near St Mary at Lambeth (The Garden Museum).  The stones were moved against the walls by 1950 and have since eroded but it is a peaceful park with a children’s playground.

Four of Robert’s sons, Thomas, Robert, Richard and Edward followed their father, becoming barge builders while Charles became a stationer and printer, with premises in Tooley Street. 



The barge building sons undertook 7 year apprenticeships with the Worshipful company of Watermen and Lightermen, and 16 members of the extended family became important officials of the Shipwrights company, including Edward James who was a liveryman of the Shipwrights company and a Freeman of the river Thames.  His uncle Edward L. Talbot was Master of the Shipwrights company in 1869, as was John William Talbot in 1880.
Lucy Talbot and Sons 1866
Rotherhithe in Victorian times, was a vibrant part of the Pool of London, teeming with Irish labourers, boat builders and sea captains.  The “Fighting Temeraire” sailed into port to be broken up here in 1838 and the Mayflower had set sail from Rotherhithe in 1620.  There were rope makers, sail makers and oar makers like George Henry Leggett.  Large quantities of timber were unloaded here.  Grain was unloaded into the flat-bottomed lighters made by the Talbots and other barge builders.  The wife of Edward James Talbot, Elizabeth Palmer Hopkins came from several generations of lightermen.
 


Later Richard Talbot (b. 1813) moved his barge building business to Caversham in Reading, returning to Berkshire where his wife had been born.  It was said that this was because so many of his children died in the unhealthy atmosphere of Rotherhithe.  Robert Talbot (b. 1828) based his business at Strand on the Green and Percy Sutton Talbot established his at Wood wharf, Greenwich.

This article first appeared in http://russiadock.blogspot.co.uk/  in September2013.

Searching for a tombstone at St Mary's Lambeth


When I first began to research my HOPKINS ancestors, who were Lightermen on the Thames, I discovered from an online contact that hidden in the churchyard of St Mary at Lambeth was a tombstone bearing the name Robert Hopkins who died in 1849.  After some time I went in search of this tomb lying in the shade of Lambeth Palace, in the grounds of what is now the innovative Garden Museum.



At first I was disappointed, finding only the imposing tombs of Captain Bligh and John Tradescant, so I enquired at the Reception area and was lucky enough to meet Christopher Raven who was compiling a list of the memorial stones.  He immediately recognised the name Robert Hopkins and took me to the West side of the “dry garden” where the dark slab I was seeking lay half covered by low lying shrubs.


On the tombstone I found listed 6 people with four different surnames; Robert and Elizabeth Hopkins, who were my great great great grandparents, Sarah Proctor and George and Mary Martin who meant nothing to me and Thomas Armstrong, a name of significance.  Through several generations the Hopkins family used the name Armstrong as a middle name for their sons but there was no evidence that the Hopkins family ever married into the Armstrong family.  I found the link in the apprenticeship bindings records for the company of Watermen and Lightermen.  Thomas Armstrong was a Master Lighterman to whom Robert Hopkins was apprenticed for 7 years from the age of 14.  On completing his apprenticeship in 1811, Robert Hopkins married Elizabeth Norris in St Martin in the Fields, the Lightermen’s church, with Thomas Armstrong as a witness.




The next connection I discovered was that George Martin and Thomas Armstrong were in business together as coal merchants.  All the families lived in Bishops Walk which lay between St Mary’s church and the present day site of St Thomas’ Hospital.  In pre-embankment days there was easy access to the river and the lightermen were able to operate the flat bottomed Thames barges, using the ebb and flow of the river to move their craft to transport coal. 






George Martin had married Mary Norris, who may have been the aunt of Elizabeth Norris, Robert Hopkins’ wife.  George and Mary had a son, George, who died as a child but their surviving daughter Sarah married Thomas Armstrong.  From his will I was able to discover that when Thomas died in 1820 they had no children so he left everything to his wife Sarah.  Two years later Sarah married Charles Proctor, a bachelor, at St Pancras.  Once again Sarah had no children so by the time Charles died Sarah Proctor was a very wealthy woman.  In addition she was the only heir of her father George Martin. 

Sarah's six page will is quite complex.  She left £6000 to Robert Hopkins and other bequests to Robert’s wife Elizabeth Norris and to Elizabeth’s brother & sisters, Thomas, Sophie, Sarah and Harriot Mary Norris.  There was also a bequest for Emma Hopkins, the daughter of Robert & Elizabeth.

It is most probable that Sarah Proctor left instructions that Robert and Elizabeth Hopkins should be buried alongside the Martin family rather than in the overflow graveyard on Lambeth High Street.  Perhaps she was unaware of the practices of two body snatchers in the graveyard in 1817.